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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

Haley is a pretty remarkably talented politician.

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Sarah's avatar

I was not expecting to be impressed by her but I am.

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Brian Napier's avatar

Agreed. Staking out smart, and rather nuanced given the time limits, positions.

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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

Now this is an actual, substantive debate. Maybe the first real policy debate so far, and it's on abortion.

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Rachel's avatar

Sounds like we turned the TV off at the wrong moment! Looking forward to y’all’s thoughts tomorrow!

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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

This really is significant back-and-forth here, and it reflects a real debate. So much insincerity early on (Haley has never had to vote on federal budget, so she attacks those who have...Vivek has never served, uh, anywhere, so he attacks those who have), but this is a real debate.

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Ryan & Ruth Gregornik's avatar

This is the first time I actually feel like I'm getting to know what the candidates stand for and think. This is compelling.

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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

Wow. Really something for Fox News to say definitively that abortion has been a losing issue for Republicans since Dobbs.

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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

Vivek really testing whether our politics has developed to the point where it will reward a candidate whose political imagination was shaped more through media debate culture than public service.

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Ryan & Ruth Gregornik's avatar

Yeah. It's... refreshing(?) in a way. New take on how to partake in the debate. Seeing a younger person on stage is kind of exciting. Just not sure the very hard break from certain norms will work in his favor. I'm a bit put off by the attitude.

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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

Haley says climate change is real and follows up immediately with critique of Biden to try to avoid getting booed. Pretty effective.

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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

Christie mentions "truth and accountability" in response to a question on the economy. I think we'll hear those words again from him.

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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

Country in decline: Trump, DeSantis, Vivek

Country has great future: Scott, Haley, Pence

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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

DeSantis might be happy trying to hang around in second place, if he can, until the field gets whittled down a bit.

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Ryan & Ruth Gregornik's avatar

True. Less of a target on his back.

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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

"Every second we talk about the past (Trump) is a wasted opportunity..." HE IS CURRENTLY BEATING ALL OF YOU IN THE CURRENT CAMPAIGN IN WHICH YOU ARE RUNNING THIS VERY MOMENT

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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

Mike Pence is not going to let someone cast a dark vision of America while he's standing right there (unless he's asked to be his running mate)!

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Ryan & Ruth Gregornik's avatar

Haha! True. Feels very out of touch with younger voters (speaking as a 33-year-old Millenial)

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Casey Johnson's avatar

Very interesting for Pence to raise the issue of contrition

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Casey Johnson's avatar

American cities are in decline? Is Atlanta the one exception? Am I delusional

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Ryan & Ruth Gregornik's avatar

Frustrating that no one really answered the Climate Change question. Lots of finger-pointing rather than ownership of the issues.

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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

terribly frustrating

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Casey Johnson's avatar

It's a no-win issue for these candidates bc it divides Republicans. Could have been a real debate, as DeSantis tried to say, but yeah, no, just dodging and reframing.

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Ryan & Ruth Gregornik's avatar

Vivek scares me with his foreign policy ideas. Too insular thinking. We live in a globalized world.

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Sarah's avatar

A couple of thoughts at this point:

- This is all good but then I remember that no one on the stage is polling higher than the teens and most single digits.

- I think Hutchinson and Bergum need to drop out unless they have more of a moment before this is over.

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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

Both thoughts are well-put and worthwhile, Sarah.

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Ryan & Ruth Gregornik's avatar

I agree about Hutchinson and Bergum. Hutchinson in particular seems lifeless. Bergum tries to bring a different vibe, but I don't think it's enough to lift him out of the dolldrums.

Not sure about what this will ultimately means for the primary. Trump has an odd stranglehold on the Republican Party. Not sure about what can change that unless Trump is prevented from running.

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Sarah's avatar

Ramaswamy somehow vibe that reminds me of both Trump and Obama.

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Sarah's avatar

Who had pocket Constitution on their bingo card?

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Dana Van Ostrand's avatar

Haley was great in this debate, I find Vivek’s brand of politics distasteful, but the “career on the boards of Lockheed and Raytheon” line was incredibly clever (I laughed out loud)

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Ryan & Ruth Gregornik's avatar

Vivek giving all the soundbites.

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Ryan & Ruth Gregornik's avatar

Christie tapping into the Reagan parallels.

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Steve Bezner's avatar

I have to say that Haley and Christie both keep surprising me.

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Casey Johnson's avatar

Pocket Constitution finally appears at 40'

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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

ABOUT TIME

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Rachel's avatar

You know Haley had that line in her back pocket ready for some point of the evening--and well deployed here, I think!

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Ryan & Ruth Gregornik's avatar

Turning into a free-for-all...

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Rachel's avatar

I won't lie, I'm finding Ramaswamy pretty entertaining!

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Ryan & Ruth Gregornik's avatar

He does have a unique verve that the others lack. I like the energy, but I don't know if he can balance energy without becoming too cavalier

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Rachel's avatar

Definitely--"entertaining" is not the quality that ultimately matters here. But it sure does liven things up!

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Ryan & Ruth Gregornik's avatar

Surprised with Haley coming in swinging at Republicans too--and receiving some cheers!

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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

me too!

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Kirsten Sanders's avatar

Chris Christie playing sober minded and serious

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Rachel's avatar

The Chat GPT line was pretty spectacular

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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

What did you think?

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Casey Johnson's avatar

Kinda wild that Chris Christie and Mike Pence are trying to team up as the reasonable ones. Shows how dramatically the party has changed. 8 years ago those two would've been considered polar opposites within a R primary, right?

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Ryan & Ruth Gregornik's avatar

Amateur assessment:

- Bergum and Hutchinson didn't make an impact. Can't see how they hang in the race.

- Pence was a bit annoying/condescending. Lots of interrupting. Lots of "When I was VP..." the "Trump/Pence administration did..."

- DeSantis didn't answer at least two questions and was called out on it. Didn't seem to really know what to do. Most confident when talking about Florida, specifically.

- Scott has a good story, but he didn't do much to stand out. Just had his few moments to speak, but nothing really powerful.

- Christie is coming down as a more 2000's-ish Republican. I get some more John McCain in 2008 vibes from him. Kind of a callback to a more "traditional" conservatism. Not sure if the voting base is wanting to do that.

- Haley impressed with her nuanced answers early on. Later got stuck with some of the snippy arguments, but overall, did well in conveying where she stands.

- Ramaswamy came out at a sprint and didn't stop. Really interesting with his energy and clear cut points. However, he seems like he just wants to steamroll through his vision. Did a lot to alienate not super conservative voters and would make across the aisle work extremely difficult.

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Ryan & Ruth Gregornik's avatar

Overall results (in my opinion):

- Ramaswamy firmly established himself as the anti-establishment go-getter. Will appeal to people who want a fresh face. Turned off anyone looking for a "wise" voice or a calm presence. Also may turn off people who feel he is cocky rather than confident.

- Haley will appeal to those looking for some nuance. Her stance on abortion may lose the more hardline pro-life crowd.

- Pence and Christie tap into the pro-Constitution crowd. Pence seems more along establishment Republican. Christie appeals to more traditional conservatives. Both may lose support due to not bringing something unique and anti-Trump stances.

- DeSantis didn't lose any support, I don't think, but the only support he may have gained was from people who were disappointed/turned off by Pence/Ramaswamy/Christie. I think Scott is in a similar boat to DeSantis.

- Bergum certainly had a down-home feel with his small town talk. Seems like a nice, down-to-earth guy, but not inspiring.

- Hutchinson didn't do much. Had a couple soundbites calling out Trump, but there was no follow up or anything really interesting from him.

- Trump is still the front-runner unless something drastically changes. I don't see how this debate changes this.

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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

Burgum's politics are so North Dakota

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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

Would Pence consider Christie as his VP?

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Ryan & Ruth Gregornik's avatar

I think so. Both very pro-Constitution. However, Pence might need a younger, more vibrant VP (though not necessarily a Sarah Palin type). There's a balance there.

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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

Pence is running like a man who thinks he's just waiting for the electorate to get serious

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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

Vivek is the Buttigieg of this GOP field...discuss

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Casey Johnson's avatar

Why do these experienced politicians and debaters let this guy control the flow of the whole debate?

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Casey Johnson's avatar

Vivek's whole vibe is just extremely online

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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

EXTREMELY

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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

Republicans haven't traditionally been big supporters of the rhetoric of "revolution," but maybe times are a-changing, Vivek!

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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

Hmmmm...skinny guy with a funny last name. Where have I heard that before?

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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

Ah, Pence is going to try to use references to the Trump Administration to get more time.

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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

First question on the economy, featuring several videos including street interviews and the Rich Men North of Richmond song, which received a mention before Donald Trump received a mention.

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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

Good start to this debate with Natalie Grant singing. We had her sing back when I was at The White House, and she is the real deal. A real champion in efforts to combat human trafficking as well.

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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

Christianity Today asked what I thought should be on Christians' minds as they watch the debate tonight: https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2023/august/2024-gop-republican-debate-abortion.html

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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

The point on which the entire GOP primary turns: Is Trump a winner? If GOP primary voters think the answer is yes, then Trump will be the nominee. If serious doubt emerges on this point, then other candidates have a chance.

Let's see tonight how this aspect of the primary plays out.

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Ryan & Ruth Gregornik's avatar

Yeah. I’m very interested in how this shakes out. Can the primary candidates do enough to stand out to voters tonight, or is Trump’s shadow just too large?

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Casey Johnson's avatar

So do you expect the debate to significantly revolve around Trump or to focus on the issues and deprive Trump of the limelight?

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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

We'll see! My point is more that I'm not sure anything else really matters electorally if that issue isn't addressed.

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Casey Johnson's avatar

So far not really addressing Trump at all. Also just a fully stupid debate, anyway, so...

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Casey Johnson's avatar

Real test here of who thinks they need to get "rude" and break in to get face time and, like, that's just a terrible test to have in a debate. 🗑️

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Casey Johnson's avatar

The audience for this might be miniscule and maybe there are basically no swing or persuadable voters paying attention... but I think this would remind a lot of those people why they voted for Biden.

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Ryan & Ruth Gregornik's avatar

Yep. Frustrating to say the least.

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Sarah's avatar

I thought that was one of the best abortion answers I've heard on a debate stage from Haley

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Ryan & Ruth Gregornik's avatar

Very impressive and nuanced. I was appreciative of the care given in her wording.

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Michael & Melissa Wear's avatar

She really spent a lot of time early in the campaign figuring out her approach here. Served her well.

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Casey Johnson's avatar

Did Chris Christie just come out as anti-teacher during his answer to a question about UFOs?

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Ryan & Ruth Gregornik's avatar

At least anti teachers' unions

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Casey Johnson's avatar

If he wants to go after labor unions, teachers have gotta be the worst way to do it?

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Ryan & Ruth Gregornik's avatar

People are super protective about their kids. If they feel their kids' education is being corrupted by "woke" teachers or whatever, that will appeal to conservative parents.

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Casey Johnson's avatar

"they were putting themselves before the people"... about _teachers_?

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Ryan & Ruth Gregornik's avatar

Hutchinson using "insurrection" to describe January 6! Surprising...

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Ryan & Ruth Gregornik's avatar

Christie calling out Trump as inappropriate behavior/beneath the office could be a litmus test on how the Republican Party as a whole views that. If his numbers drop precipitately after this, the other candidates won't touch that again.

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Casey Johnson's avatar

Clever of the moderators to get the "rule of law", "law and order", and pro-law enforcement rhetoric warmed up just before pivoting to Trump's crimes... 👀😲

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Ryan & Ruth Gregornik's avatar

Hutchinson swinging at Trump undermining rule of law...

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Ryan & Ruth Gregornik's avatar

Wow. Vivek pointing to issues that Millenials/Gen Z are concerned about, while Pence and the more establishment Republicans want to stick to traditional talking points.

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